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  1. Lauren @ roamingtheworld
    March 5, 2013

    Love the honesty and perspective, Cat!
    How true it is that at home we’d be annoyed but it wouldn’t send us packing to try our lives in a new city in America, we just deal with it because that’s all we can do!

    I’m impressed with your tenacity! Keep hanging in there!
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  2. Christine
    March 5, 2013

    I think it’s hard to break into social circles anywhere in Spain! I did find that true about Andalusians during my time there, that they promise everything and don’t often live up to their word. Basques are reserved and a bit cold (esp. Vascas), and it’s so difficult to break in as an outsider–but they say once you have a Basque friend, you have one for life. We’ll see!
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  3. Susan Lostocco Nadathur
    March 5, 2013

    Oddly enough, when I lived in Seville over 30 years ago, I made some great friends among the Sevillanos, and we are still in touch today. However, I now live in Puerto Rico (for the past 19 years) and I can’t say I have any meaningful relationships with Puerto Ricans — male or female. The Puerto Ricans live mostly for family. Anyone not of the immediate or extended family is treated cordially, but not Intimately. Everyone talks about how friendly the Puerto Ricans are, but it’s all superficial. I miss my Sevillano friends, which over the years has come to include Gypsies as well.

  4. Christina
    March 5, 2013

    Wow, right as I read the 2 year cut-off date, I review how long I’ve been in Spain and it looks like just two months have passed the cut-off for me. Great, MORE bureaucracy. I still have to deal with residency, work papers, and getting my BA degree homologado. Do you have any tips on working papers, by the way?

    • Sunshine and Siestas
      March 5, 2013

      Oof, you DO have a long way to go, mujer! Start with the most pressing, which is probably the work papers? I got mine through marriage, how are you planning on doing it?

      • Christina
        March 7, 2013

        I’m married too. We’re currently waiting for some paperwork that of course is lost from the Registro Civil in Madrid. I’ve already applied for residency and got rejected because of paperwork they never told me I needed and have since started the process over again. What was your process like? (Btw I don’t want to clutter up your blog so if you don’t mind giving me some tips by e-mail or facebook I would HUGELY appreciate it!)

  5. Julie Dawn Fox
    March 5, 2013

    Oh, how I can relate to this post!

    After countless frustrations trying to sort things out for my flat in Tanzania, I went back to visit family in the UK and was shocked to find that not only did I have NO mobile phone signal in my dad’s house (which is in a reasonable-sized town, not on the side of a remote mountain) but that customer service in the UK was every bit as annoying as elsewhere. That was the point when I realised that there are always going to be things that drive me crazy, wherever I live so the best thing to do is try not to get too wound up about them and focus on the positives.

    If only it were that simple!
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    • Sunshine and Siestas
      March 5, 2013

      If it were so simple, we probably would have given up long ago!

  6. Julia of Nowhere to Go but Everywhere
    March 5, 2013

    I also found most Andalusians to be extremely friendly and open, but that they made it clear they weren’t really looking for new friends. I made some good male friends (well, as good as a friendship can be in 6 months) but the women had no interest. And almost all of their friends were from the niñez! I asked a friend why that is, and he told me that when granaínos, they expect the friendship to be for life, so many wouldn’t waste time with someone who’s leaving. Harsh haha.

    I’ve never been down south in the later summer months; is it really as terrible as everyone says? I really want to come down for the last week in August before my classes start, but I don’t want to melt!
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    • Sunshine and Siestas
      March 5, 2013

      I spent six days here in August, and that was enough!! Perhaps Granada will be better, but Seville is an absolute swamp. I plan on spending my two weeks’ vacation (after the Camino) at either the beach, the pool or camped out in front of the air conditioner!

  7. Kaley [Y Mucho Más]
    March 5, 2013

    I have resigned myself to never having any Spanish girl friends…maybe it’s not good to give up too soon, but I don’t know, I just can’t see it happening. Most of my Spanish friends are from Mario too.
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  8. Sunshine and Siestas
    March 5, 2013

    I’m almost feeling better that I’m not the only one who lacks Spanish girlfriends! Thankfully I have a really wonderful group of Anglos who make up for it, and understand my need for Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups!

  9. amelie88
    March 6, 2013

    It is hard to break into social circles with the locals in any country abroad. The French are the same way and are way more reserved and cold than the Spanish. Friendship isn’t just given out to anyone, you’ve got to earn it. My father (who is from France) is still friends with the same friends from high school all these years later. Americans have a more transient view of friendship–it’s not exactly a bad thing, but it’s a huge cultural difference and that could be the subject of an entire post.

    Oh and the bikes! I remember seeing those about 5 years ago when I was studying abroad in Toulouse. Most the bikes seemed to be in working order but they weren’t the greatest. I tried one out once–clunky, heavy, and hard to maneuver.
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  10. Phil H
    March 6, 2013

    I can’t read the name of this post without thinking of our fav movie. “And I’m back in the game!” Also, I found breaking into social circles was extremely hard even in San Fran (and you know me, I’m not exactly anti-social). If I would’ve made a few more friends there, I might still be there.

  11. Mike
    March 7, 2013

    When I arrived in Granada at the end of January I was a little disappointed because it wasnt nearly as warm as I expected, and it even snowed a few times! However, spring came and went with the blink of an eye and soon the heat was unbearable. I’d take the long way to places just to stay in the shade. I only used the public transit to get to the bus station and loved the fact I could walk anywhere.
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  12. Gayla
    March 9, 2013

    Great post. Very honest. We’re going on five years in the Netherlands this summer and just as we’re ready for my husband to apply for a permanent residence permit, the immigration laws have changed and he’ll have to take a more complex series of integration exams than what were required as recently as December for someone with his situation and permit status :-(
    Oh, and there’s a bit of bureaucrazy, here, too…at times ;-)

    • Sunshine and Siestas
      March 10, 2013

      I had a Spanish friend ask me a whole load of questions about pareja de hecho, which is what I did to be able to stay in Spain. It’s essentially like getting married without as much hassle, but it’s incredible how much more I had to do as an American than he and his girlfriend would have to do as Spaniards! It’s almost nice to know it’s not easy anywhere…

  13. Jessica of HolaYessica
    March 10, 2013

    I have the same post-office thing! I can almost literally see the correos from my window, and they refuse to let me have my mail sent there. I just don’t get it…

    Social circles are weird here too – Catalans are notoriously ‘cerrado’. Like Christine said about the vascas, the catalanas are hard for me to make friends with than the guys.

    Also, life here just being life is something that people definitely forget back home. I swear, every time something goes wrong the first thing they say is “Why don’t you just move back?” If those things happened to me in San Francisco, nobody would tell me to leave San Francisco!
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  14. Alex @ ifs ands & butts
    March 13, 2013

    I’ll switch weather with you any day — but ya I hate the German bureaucracy but somehow I think Spain would make me like Germany’s :)
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    • Sunshine and Siestas
      March 13, 2013

      I’m sure!!

  15. Matthew Hirtes
    March 14, 2013

    It can be tough to go local, I agree, Cat. Last season, I was the only guiri in my football team. When we secured promotion, they kicked me out of the squad. That could well have more to do with my soccer skills, or lack of them, though.
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  16. Heidi Wagoner
    March 14, 2013

    Hey Cat,

    I think we lucked out or are still in the honeymoon phase. After living in Andalucia (Almuñécar) for just over 6 months now, the lines haven’t been so bad. I think most of that is that we are in a small town. There is only one post office and after I tracked down our mailman on his scooter one day and introduced myself, we now get mail at our door. I guess there was a community mailbox that we were unaware of. Mail was being delivered all up and down our street to anyone, of course no one knew who we were. All sorted out now.

    As far as gripes, I just wrote a post on this and it will go out in next couple of weeks…. Why don’t people pick up after their dogs!? I mean come on, in the middle of the sidewalk? Anyway, so far so good for us. We haven’t dealt with the Driving License yet, but NIE cards etc were pretty smooth.

    Thanks for sharing this!
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    • Sunshine and Siestas
      March 16, 2013

      Definitely, living in a smaller town has its advantages! Since I’m in the province capital, we have the overflow from the nearby villages without their own offices. The driving license wasn’t so bad (though they got my name wrong and I haven’t received it yet, sigh), just time consuming.

    • Micki
      March 21, 2013

      Oh, we’ve only been in Andalusia for a few days now, and I have to say that the dog thing is making me a bit crazy too. I’ve been trying to teach our little ones to keep on dog poo alert when they’re walking down the sidewalk, with mixed success.
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      • Heidi Wagoner
        March 21, 2013

        Oh good! LOL not good that you are experiencing it, but good that I am not crazy! It really gets to me. It seems like such a simple thing to pick up after their own dog. I have heard rumor that it is like this in much of Europe. YUK. :-)
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      • Sunshine and Siestas
        March 21, 2013

        Hey, they say it’s a lucky thing! The night I first stepped in it, I met the girl who later introduced me to the Novio!

  17. Mr Grumpy – Tumbit
    March 17, 2013

    Living in a Village where Valeniano is the main language spoken, even speaking in castilian marks you as an outsider, and difficult to integrate with the community. I try, but fail miserably.

    • Sunshine and Siestas
      March 17, 2013

      I can imagine! It was really difficult for me to make non-Anglo friends my first year before my Spanish skills really kicked in.

  18. wandering educators
    March 19, 2013

    FUNNy – bc it’s so true, wherever you are…
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  19. Larissa
    March 20, 2013

    A little dose of reality is always healthy. . . reminds us that life is not all giggles and kicks. But with the right outlook and the courage to follow our travel dreams it can be MOSTLY giggles and kicks :)
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    • Sunshine and Siestas
      March 20, 2013

      When people ask me how to move to Spain, I always tell them that a sense of humor and a large dose of flexibility is perhaps the most important! I always sound like the old, jaded lady complaining about Seville, but I wish someone had warned me about some of these things, too!

  20. Miss Footloose | Life in the Expat Lane
    March 22, 2013

    Having lived in a number of foreign countries, I can tell you not to worry about having an occasional nervous breakdown: you earned it and getting drunk on whine is healthy once in a while.
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    • Sunshine and Siestas
      March 23, 2013

      I like your thanking – having a glass now! Thanks for visiting!

  21. Julie
    March 23, 2013

    Absolutely loved this post and can’t wait to explore more of your blog! I studied abroad in Sevilla back in the good ‘ol college days and miss it terribly (although not the heat, madre de dios el calor). I smiled so much when I saw the word guiri-it’s been ages since that’s been in my vocabulario. Being an expat is not all rainbows and happy smiles as you so wonderfully put it (to those who think otherwise).
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    • Sunshine and Siestas
      March 23, 2013

      Thanks, Julie! Let me know if you ever make it back to the Hispalense!

  22. Savanna Redman
    March 23, 2013

    Wonderful post. I live the British Virgin Islands (I can relate to the difficulties and challenges). I never want to be the jaded lady living in a lovely tropical place, but there are days, when the beauty completely loses out to the chaos of just daily living.
    I’ve often wondered, if a person who has not experienced living outside their home country, could even comprehend the warnings we could offer out of protective kindness. (to them we’d sound crazy) so I’ve found it best to just smile and sincerely wish them luck with what ever their adventure is. Because in the end we always take our self along – so each journey will be different.
    When I lived in Belize the expat saying was, If you arrive with patience – you will lose if, if you don’t have any – you will learn it, and bring your sense of humor because either way you will need it. (they were right)

    • Sunshine and Siestas
      March 23, 2013

      Advice to live by! I expected my first year to be a breeze because I’d already lived a bit in the country, but it definitely brought its challenges! Things get easier with time, it seems, but you’re absolutely right in not having those expectations! All my best, and thanks for visiting!

  23. El
    April 3, 2013

    I think making friends with Spanish people in a small town has made it much easier for me. Having said that, with la crisis I have a similar problem – they keep moving away! I have made a few really great Spanish friends, but with ‘la crisis’ and being a small town, if they want to work, they have to search elsewhere (in a bigger city or outside of Spain like the UK). I still keep in contact with them, but it’s not the same as having them here of course. Late last year I had a somewhat busy social life, but since a few friends have moved away things have gotten a bit quieter, but I have some expat friends here too. But soon it will be my turn to move on….so…:)
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    • Sunshine and Siestas
      April 4, 2013

      That’s sadly a part of it. I’ve had loads of friends from all nationalities move away in the past few years, and it never gets easier. If you’re mobile, join internations to meet some other expats!

  24. Jeremy Branham
    April 4, 2013

    I actually love Sevilla! Granted, I was there in late September/early October. That was the perfect time to visit. The weather was awesome, there weren’t a lot of crowds, and I loved the city. I know how hot it can get there so was glad I wasn’t there in the summer. However, the trees and the Santa Cruz very nice with all of the shade.

    I can’t really speak to all of the other stuff but I thought the transportation was good. I did walk everywhere and didn’t have deadlines or places to go. I did notice the streets are awfully quiet at 7:30 in the morning though :)
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    • Sunshine and Siestas
      April 6, 2013

      I do love Seville, and don’t think I would love any place in Spain as much as my Sevilla! That said, all of the ugliness eventually pops up, especially after more than five years! If you’re back this way, get in touch and thanks for visiting!

  25. Rena Dunne
    August 18, 2013

    Great blog Cat. I can really identify with all that you’ve written. But what about my pet hate, the way the Spanish don’t like to share the footpaths? Like you, I still love Sevilla 7 years on but just wish that walking the sidewalks (as you’d say) was a little easier.

    Keep posting!
    Rena

    • Sunshine and Siestas
      August 19, 2013

      Definitely a good point, hahahaha! I guess I just trudge through it without thinking!

  26. Alex @ ifs ands & butts
    August 18, 2013

    Foreign bureaucracy is the worst. And 47?! Holy crap!

  27. Linda
    August 18, 2013

    Certainly the bureaucracy is the same everywhere in Spain. And the end result (in my case at least) is – “If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.” I loathe the whole process of doing almost anything here so much that I procrastinate unreservedly….which only serves to make matters worse. Is there another place in the world where you actually pay people (gestors) simply to stand in line for you, because you can’t take a day of work to go register the purchase of a new car?
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    • Sunshine and Siestas
      August 19, 2013

      I need to become a gestor. I would LOVE to be paid to wait with a book!

  28. Sophie
    February 19, 2014

    I know this post is old but I’ve been digging into your archives and really enjoying your posts. Had to leave a comment here to tell you how much I appreciate your honesty! As an expat I feel like people both in your new country and your old expect that things are always peachy – but the way you say it sums it up perfectly: ‘life if life’ no matter where you are. There will be delightful moments but also moments of blind rage – cough bureauCRAZY (love that by the way) and weather here in NL too! Just dreadful!
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    • Cat Gaa
      February 19, 2014

      My life in Spain would be perfect if it was all cerveza and siesta and the sunshine and the frilly dresses. But, as we can both agree, it’s normal life! I can imagine that things in the NL are far more organized than in Spain, though!

  29. Laura
    April 15, 2014

    Hello!
    I know this is an older post, but I’ve only recently discovered your site, and I’m digging through it. I absolutely love it!
    I’m a bit older, in midlife, with my kids now grown. I own an online business. Last year I began studying both flamenco and Spanish, and it is a dream to go to Spain for 1-2 years to further study dance. I’m thinking the easiest way to make this a reality is to begin teaching English? I can run my business in only about 10 hours a week, and since the teaching is only 12 hours or so, I’m thinking this can still leave time for dance?
    What are the academic requirements to teach English, if you don’t mind my asking?
    Thank you again, so much for this site!

    • Cat Gaa
      April 21, 2014

      Hi Laura, I’ve been traveling and too immersed to check my emails and such! Will be sending you an email shortly to answer your questions. And muchas gracias for the compliment!

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